Justin Warren – Electronic Frontiers Australia

Justin Warren is a board member of Electronic Frontiers Australia.

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For Justin, meeting the other humans behind the screen is one of the most important things about NetThing. Justin has been a life member of EFA since 2001. A few years ago Justin had had enough of the constant onslaught on civil liberties, there was an opportunity to step up and join and do something about it. 

The panels articulated well the bias towards surveillance and control by multiple governments world wide. This current period in history seems to be aligned to authoritarianism, that is happening across the globe. We seem to be sleepwalking into it piece by piece, there is no cavalry to save us, we have to save ourselves. Australia is a comfortable society, this comfort means we see external threats, not internal threats. The external threats are used as an excuse. There are systemic issues with the media on how these issues are reported.

This audio was recorded at the inaugural NetThing event on October 28, 2019.

Samantha Floreani – Australian Privacy Foundation

Samantha Floreani is the Victorian State Director for Code Like a Girl and sits on the board of the Australian Privacy Foundation.

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The need to get more women and girls into technology, and the importance of building technology by all of us, for all of us. They are building community for women, and to shift the culture of toxic masculinity within technology. They are getting young women excited about technology, algorithms and code. 

Most people use tech in their everyday lives, if this tech is just being built from the perspective of one type of person, gender, point of privilege. Then potentially we are building tech that doesn’t serve everybody. We are also missing opportunities and solutions just by locking people out. 

Currently women in IT are finding a culture in technology that is not necessarily friendly towards women and other minorities. It can be challenging for women to stay included, and HR policies and job ads can exacerbate these inequalities. There is still a stigma associated with flexible working hours, we need to shift away from a work martyrdom idea; and there is a gendered element to this. 

This audio was recorded at the inaugural NetThing event on October 28, 2019.

Michael West

Michael West provided the Welcome to Country for NetThing 2019, Michael has a long history in the technology and Internet sector.

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Michael’s experience working in IT for over ten years designing government systems. The different organisations and perspectives at NetThing as a great opportunity to connect people up. Indigenous people benefit from the Internet as a tool, particularly supporting education and economic development. Intellectual property is a strong consideration in a digital era. Stories of places needs to be respected and understood, and the right acknowledgement of where information comes from.

This audio was recorded at the inaugural NetThing event on October 28, 2019.

Anna Johnston – Salinger Privacy

Anna Johnstone is the Principal of Salinger Privacy.

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Anna’s reflections of getting to meet in person various people she has met over social media and through other advocacy. People from diverse backgrounds, technology, community, lawyers, cryptographers.

Privacy is a universal human right, but that doesn’t necessarily have a particular meaning for people. Rather it’s a value, and that gets measured and demonstrated in different ways. The anti privacy discourse is incorrect, but it shaped the political and media narrative, and attitudes are changing. The power of corporates and governments to impact on lives is being made much clearer. The challenge for people who care about these issues is how they organise and advocate, persuade governments and organisations to do better.

The Australian Privacy Principles and the Privacy Act come from the same principles as GDPR, the differences are at the margin. The practical difference are the penalties and the enforcement. Under GDPR regulators are funded and they can pursue strategic litigation. Typically in Australia our privacy regulators are very poorly funded, they don’t necessarily have the same powers as other regulators. It’s very difficult for civil society to bring forward cases to bring change. We are yet to see changes in government and corporate practices.

Forming coalitions with people that have been affected by a loss of privacy is important in helping to understand the problems. Communities that can talk to lived experience living under authoritarian regimes where government surveillance and national identity cards had been affected was important in building awareness of the impact of digital identity card policy (for example). Having something to hide is what makes us individuals, and gives us control over our own lives, we each have some sphere of our lives that we want to keep private and autonomous.

Human rights are not necessarily concrete or tangible. Facial recognition and capitalist surveillance systems, where our data is worth money. Companies are using Facebook to exclude advertising of jobs, insurance, and services to certain groups, this reinforces discrimination.

Angus Murray – Electronic Frontiers Australia

Angus is the Chair of Electronic Frontiers Australia’s Policy Committee.

This is a five part audio piece, summaries of each section are listed below the audio.

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The importance of NetThing as an inclusive and collaborative event to discuss how the Internet is governed. Identifying issues, opportunities, and risks, within interconnected networks and interactions. Angus talks about the diversity of people and views on the day. 

Main concern is getting participation from the broad community. The power imbalances that exist between big corporate and government and how these affect the end users in a capitalistic approach. National security over fundamental rights is often given up – this keeps Angus up at night. Reinstating that balance between citizen and the state is critical.

 

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Criminalisation of journalism – journalism is the ability for people to be aware of public interest issues and to receive the facts about issues. There is a broader conversation where journalists have protections over metadata with judicial oversight, citizens should be afforded the same rights.

 

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Privacy – a non absolute base right, privacy isn’t an absolute right. It’s not an end into itself, and there are points at which privacy is given up for the want of other rights. That being said, privacy is a right that underlies other rights, such as human dignity and autonomy. Privacy isn’t enshrined as a right, and when we give that away it will have an effect on future generations.

 

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Concerns about the next 30 years. The Internet was started to connect people and build cohesive, informed societies. All of the benefit that sits in there are also detrimental points. An overload of information and difficulty in discerning correct and incorrect information makes it difficult to identify truth, and useful communities (as opposed to echo chambers for example).

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Anyone that is interested in this area should find people to discuss this with, be advocates of their own causes and to start the discussion wherever they might be in their own community. 

This audio was recorded at the inaugural NetThing event on October 28, 2019.

Dr Heron Loban – Griffith University

Dr Heron Loban is a Senior Lecturer in law at Griffith University in Brisbane, specialising in Indigenous consumer issues and communication

This is a two part audio piece, summaries of each section are listed below the audio.

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In this audio Dr Heron discusses:

Key themes from NetThing are the intersect, expertise around technology – important for finding solutions around the range of Internet issues – you need to take a broad approach in terms of who you include when finding solutions and identifying problems. There is a lot of advocacy going on in a lot of places and spaces, and in a lot of cases we don’t know who those people are. Meeting some people for the first time that have been doing things for ten years, like her, was a standout.

On the amazing success of NetThing is in:

“finding people that otherwise wouldn’t find each other”

Dr Heron touches on her time at the Centre for Appropriate Technology, where they focus on appropriate technology for Central Australia. Infrastructure, management, maintenance, and access are key.

Main concerns are issues around privacy.

“There isn’t an opportunity for people to shape or direct how they would like their privacy to look, or how they would like to exercise their privacy”.

A highlight from today is seeing what New Zealand is doing – particularly around Maori digital inclusion and the digital divide. There are lessons we can borrow for Australia.

This audio was recorded at the inaugural NetThing event on October 28, 2019.

Paul Wilson – APNIC

Paul Wilson, Director General at the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC).

This is a two part audio piece, summaries of each section are listed below the audio.

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APNIC is the regional IP address registry for the Asia Pacific registering and managing IP numbers. APNIC provides IP addresses and autonomous system numbers. They do a lot of work on Internet development around the region. Building the Internet around the region. A global, open and stable Internet around the region. A global and open Internet.

Paul says, we all have a collective interest in the global openness of the Internet. Internet filtering and Internet content management, the opportunity for a global and open Internet should exist. Global policies for distribution of IP addresses, to not build a separate and isolated Internet.

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The NetThing event comes from an international intergovernmental event back in 2001. Governments wanted to know how the Internet was governed, so a working group was formed.It looked at the fact that multistakeholderism has been the key to the internet’s governance success. The IGF was then formed as a national event, with regional events around the world. 

A multistakeholder approach is the only way to tackle the big issues that are facing the Internet and community now. We are in a similar but different position to other countries, so localised discussions with a global focus is important to help the Internet move in one direction in a way that works.

This audio was recorded at the inaugural NetThing event on October 28, 2019.

Pablo Hinojosa – APNIC

Pablo Hinojosa is the Strategic Engagement Director at the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC).

This is a two part audio piece, summaries of each section are listed below the audio.

Listen to Part One – Pablo Hinojosa, APNIC

 

In this audio Pablo discusses:

The APNIC regional organisation serves Asia Pacific, and is extremely passionate about Internet governance. NetThing is a movement to bring different fora together – to bring different interest groups together and share different perspectives, ideally to come up with agreements that are better informed, and eventually decisions that are more capable to address the sort of challenges that the Internet has.

The event is for people who are not just interested in Internet Governance. Pablo explains that the key for successful internet governance is participation. “We are all on the Internet, having a say and demonstrating interest is very important”.

NetThing provides an opportunity for people who are ready to change assumptions to come to a neutral space where agreements can be reached more broadly. Pablo says this isn’t an easy thing for many societies, but, changing opinions, realising the influence of others, and contributing to shared space for solutions is the ideal.

NetThing is the beginning, and the beginning is the coming together of different groups.

Listen to Part Two – Pablo Hinojosa, APNIC

 

In this audio Pablo discusses:

Concerns about deepening the differences in community. Fragmentation at technical, policy and geopolitical level there is a fragmentation between interest groups. Not being able to embrace the diversity and not being able to bring disparity into a shared space is a mistake. The Internet is an interconnected network, and the different parts affect an ecosystem. If you can’t reach the next branch and group and communicatie and try hard to make your point in a way that is understood by others this creates a risk. And the risk is islands that cannot connect with each other – and that is counter to the Internet.

APNIC is involved to connect the technical community on the internet; the people that see how the packets flow between the network. Decisions made to protect security vulnerabilities can affect the work of network engineers and how the Internet was built and the smooth operation. When policy makers put up restrictions, blockages, and filters, these have intended and unintended consequences that can affect the whole ecosystem.

This audio was recorded at the inaugural NetThing event on October 28, 2019.